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and here ist the chatlog.

Please remember, Cheshyr is not a noob he own one of the biggest companies here in secondlife and what he tell us is really interesting.

The first thing you should do is: CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD FOR ALL SITES
[2011-05-11 09:03:41] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: If you ever feel you need more reasons to have left Hippovend, checkout PM Sand’s page where he offers to unmute customers for L$5150… https://sites.google.com/a/consultantpm.com/faq/mute

[2011-05-11 09:03:56] Hintswen Guardian: o.o

[2011-05-11 09:03:59] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Too funny.

[2011-05-11 09:04:20] Jimbo Bridger: Bargain….

[2011-05-11 09:04:46] Archangel Mortenwold: Ha ha!

[2011-05-11 09:04:58] Ethereal Faerye coffs Ô.o

[2011-05-11 09:05:14] Zanara Zenovka: wow – i’m obvously not successful enough – i’ve never had to mute a customer….

[2011-05-11 09:05:27] Ethereal Faerye: me neither

[2011-05-11 09:05:56] Al Blindside: Just for the record: If you have been referred to this page, it is possible that you have been behaving badly on Second Life, which caused avatar ╲PM Sands╡ to mute you. If you would like a one-time opportunity to again establish SL communication with avatar PM Sands, you can pay PM Sands the amount of L$5,150 inworld. Your payment serves as compensation for the trouble you are responsible for causing.

You may have to wait up to one month for PM Sands to notice your payment on his transaction record. Once your payment has been verified PM Sands will unmute you. We all make mistakes, and it is not easy to forgive. At least your payment helps show that you take responsibility for the trouble you caused; and serves as a sign of good faith that you will try to behave better in the future.

[2011-05-11 09:06:01] Hintswen Guardian: I had to mute someone before, not a customer though. They called me a pedo so w/e.

[2011-05-11 09:06:07] Jimbo Bridger: I’d pay him the L$5150 to mute me

[2011-05-11 09:06:08] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Arrogant SOB. I mean yes, I’m arrogant, and occasionally mute people, but never for more than a few hours.

[2011-05-11 09:06:19] FlozZ Breil: lol

[2011-05-11 09:06:23] Ethereal Faerye: ewww :/ yah thats pretty bad and muteworthy

[2011-05-11 09:06:26] Hintswen Guardian: Jimbo, you can pay me L$5149 to mute you.

[2011-05-11 09:06:34] FlozZ Breil: ahhaha

[2011-05-11 09:06:38] Hintswen Guardian: L$1 off

[2011-05-11 09:06:42] Hintswen Guardian: limited time only.

[2011-05-11 09:06:58] Al Blindside: I do a special service where I mute you then I send a demand for only $1000L to unmute you — lol

[2011-05-11 09:06:59] Victor1st Mornington: looks like sands mutes folks on a regular basis, and as one of the leads of HippoLagTech…muting a customer and then saying to the customer that he/she has to pay Sands…is nothing more than borderline fraud…

[2011-05-11 09:07:19] Victor1st Mornington: no wonder folks are moving away from Hippo…

[2011-05-11 09:07:22] Dagoth Graves: wow ransom notes

[2011-05-11 09:07:44] Al Blindside: I’m wondering if that notice isactually ‘legal’ in terms of ToS?

[2011-05-11 09:07:51] Ethereal Faerye: thats not even borderline, this is fraud pure and simple and he should be reported as suck

[2011-05-11 09:07:58] Dagoth Graves: extortion

[2011-05-11 09:08:41] Ethereal Faerye: thats prolly why he annonces this on a site outside of sl, lindens can do nothing and they have no authoroty there, if they have any at all anyway

[2011-05-11 09:09:17] Al Blindside: Avatar Sands explicitly refers to Second Life

[2011-05-11 09:09:41] Hintswen Guardian: Could ban the avi couldn’t they?

[2011-05-11 09:09:45] Ethereal Faerye: hmm, i’d send in a report just for kix but i’m not a customer of his

[2011-05-11 09:10:12] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: It does show a problem in Second Life though. If you are muted, payments should not be received either.

[2011-05-11 09:10:55] Hintswen Guardian: are you sure? I’ll mute you and you try send me L$5k

[2011-05-11 09:11:01] Hintswen Guardian: I’ll tell you if I get it.

[2011-05-11 09:11:08] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: It works. I’m saying it should not work.

[2011-05-11 09:11:14] Hintswen Guardian: oh lol

[2011-05-11 09:11:15] Al Blindside: (Postcard from barbados?)

[2011-05-11 09:11:20] Raven Snowfall: lol

[2011-05-11 09:11:27] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: I have customers who accidentally mute me, clicking the wrong button on a purchase. Then they buy other things, and don’t get the deliveries because they muted me.

[2011-05-11 09:11:46] Hintswen Guardian: heh

[2011-05-11 09:11:56] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Had, not have. Linden Lab fixed that particular bug awhile ago.

[2011-05-11 09:11:59] Dagoth Graves: hell i am gonna send a message to all on my mute list and ask for 5K each…. think i will get any bites?

[2011-05-11 09:12:10] Jimbo Bridger: I heard Casper is taking legal action against Hippo for hacking ‘a’ Casper User’s account. Is this accurate?

[2011-05-11 09:12:32] Hintswen Guardian: Doubt it.

[2011-05-11 09:12:37] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: It is.

[2011-05-11 09:12:41] Al Blindside: I’ll ban him from my sim just in case he catches me behaving badly…..

[2011-05-11 09:12:49] Hintswen Guardian: o.o

[2011-05-11 09:13:01] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Two accounts. Mine being one of them, but it failed. my password isn’t the same in both places, so the login attempt failed.

[2011-05-11 09:13:01] Hintswen Guardian: How can he know it was someone from Hippo?

[2011-05-11 09:13:10] feline Dagger: i duno how successful hippo could possibly be, i mean, seriously, that piece of crap lags ou sims that much i pretty much stopped going to any sim that contains that crap. o_o i tried hippo when i managed a market and even with just 10 or 20 of these vendors, it lagged out the sim, so, hippo went in bin and i got one of those 1 script vendors that worked perfectly – virtualy no lag at all

[2011-05-11 09:13:14] Jimbo Bridger: IP Tracking, i assume?

[2011-05-11 09:13:30] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: We don’t. We’re guessing because the IP used is from Andy’s home town, and the passwords attempted were from Hippotech’s site.

[2011-05-11 09:13:56] Hintswen Guardian: Even though Casper will have the person’s IP, how can he know it’s the IP of someone from Hippo.

[2011-05-11 09:14:13] Hintswen Guardian: Exactly, it’s a guess.

[2011-05-11 09:14:31] Jimbo Bridger: Can Casper not give LL the IP – don’t they keep IP Logs?

[2011-05-11 09:14:37] Hintswen Guardian: If I could take legal action against people for “guessing” that did something, you’d all be in court.

[2011-05-11 09:14:41] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: There is a way actually, hence the lawyers. Linden Lab has to compare the data with Andy and PM’s logins.

[2011-05-11 09:14:52] Al Blindside: An educated guess………. because you have to be able to see the Hippo login first…….

[2011-05-11 09:15:23] Hintswen Guardian: Frankly if it is someone from hippo then I’m astonished they are storing passwords in plaintext.

[2011-05-11 09:15:24] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: It would be easier if Andy or his staff used CasperVend, but somehow I doubt that.

[2011-05-11 09:15:47] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Agreed. Passwords should always be hashed.

[2011-05-11 09:16:20] Hintswen Guardian: I take it you didn’t have a easy password so they couldn’t have done a lookup on the hash right

[2011-05-11 09:16:41] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: I do a simple test before registering for a new service. Create an account with a temporary password, claim I’ve forgotten it, and see what they do. If they send me my temp password, I know they’re not secure.

[2011-05-11 09:16:58] Hintswen Guardian: lol so true

[2011-05-11 09:17:21] Hintswen Guardian: and if they email you your password when you signup, that’s not good either. email isn’t encrypted from server to server (or is it?)

[2011-05-11 09:17:33] Ethereal Faerye: lol the lindens sent me a temp password once

[2011-05-11 09:17:50] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Doesn’t work with Hippotech, since they do password resets via in-world objects.

[2011-05-11 09:17:54] Ethereal Faerye: but i got hacked by a ‘friend’

[2011-05-11 09:18:08] Hintswen Guardian: he means the password he used to sign up

[2011-05-11 09:18:19] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Time for a new friend.

[2011-05-11 09:18:20] Hintswen Guardian: if LL sent you the password you used to signup, I’d be worried.

[2011-05-11 09:18:37] Al Blindside: lol………….. “HippoGate”……… I’ve never been a member of the Caspevend Party……..

[2011-05-11 09:18:45] Hintswen Guardian: a friend tried to hack me once. I took down his website and replaced it with nude photos of his girlfriend.

[2011-05-11 09:18:49] Ethereal Faerye: yeah, my friendship was worth 550 ld and a couple of homebrewn textures.

[2011-05-11 09:19:29] Ethereal Faerye: laaawl

[2011-05-11 09:19:30] Hintswen Guardian: Hif girlfriend left him after that ^_^ (I made sure she saw it lol)

[2011-05-11 09:20:00] Ethereal Faerye: ohh thats ebil >.< …. sniggers

[2011-05-11 09:20:12] Hintswen Guardian: his*

[2011-05-11 09:20:15] Al Blindside: “And…….. tell your gitlfriend to stop calling me on your phone”

[2011-05-11 09:21:18] Ethereal Faerye: hmm, and how much is 5k anyway, he must be starving or something.

[2011-05-11 09:21:43] Raven Snowfall: 5k is maybe $20 US

[2011-05-11 09:21:52] Ethereal Faerye: now… i feel pitty in a way

[2011-05-11 09:22:01] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: Right. $20.60 before LL takes their percentages.

[2011-05-11 09:22:36] Cheshyr Pontchartrain: So it costs him ~$19 to click view/mute list…

[2011-05-11 09:22:59] Al Blindside: I have one of his Secure Server Rooms……… he actually had at that time a version that would warn a person trying to get into the room three times then call the FBI and send the person’s IP address and details to them…………. bit severe eh?

[2011-05-11 09:25:46] Eryka Caramel: hahaha some guy started on you so you put his gf’s pics on the site?

[2011-05-11 09:26:35] Hintswen Guardian: Well he was hacking one of my servers. Had to teach him a lesson

[2011-05-11 09:27:40] Eryka Caramel: tight but hun you should have did it with his pics she was only a gf and probally didnt know anything but if it worked i guess you showed him

[2011-05-11 09:28:42] Eryka Caramel: i people saw me like that all naked i would do something crazy to myself what if her parents and relatives saw the pics

[2011-05-11 09:28:49] Hintswen Guardian: had none of his, but it was “aparently” his gf’s idea to hack my server, he was just doing it. do 2 birds 1 stone.

[2011-05-11 09:29:13] Eryka Caramel: ah well if she was involve then fair game

[2011-05-11 09:29:34] Eryka Caramel: im like you i believe a eye for a eye

[2011-05-11 09:30:00] Hintswen Guardian: From what I was told, she didn’t believe he can hack, so she told him to hack my server.

[2011-05-11 09:30:58] Eryka Caramel: well FBI frowns on that if he did thats all you needed to do was call the fbi and they take hacking serious

[2011-05-11 09:31:28] Eryka Caramel: they would been at his door within hours

[2011-05-11 09:31:39] Eryka Caramel: that is homeland secuity issues

[2011-05-11 09:31:41] Hintswen Guardian: non-US

[2011-05-11 09:32:10] Eryka Caramel: doesnt matter with the terriost acts of today they would have went after him

[2011-05-11 09:32:14] Hintswen Guardian: besides, he can’t hack for ____. He’s a script kiddie.

[2011-05-11 09:34:49] Eryka Caramel: well im back to rl work now you all have fun tc

[2011-05-11 09:35:04] Hintswen Guardian: and I’m going to bed before I go insane